Как проверить расходомер?

[demihs]

Есть подозрение на расходомер.Как его проверить?

[smell]

Отключить его. Если ничего не измениться, значит он.

[demihs]

Отключить его. Если ничего не измениться, значит он.

Миша,он не до конца конченный,просто подозрение что подходит.

[VolumeX]

Самый лучший вариант - замена на заведомо рабочий.

[Alcogol]

Отключить его. Если ничего не измениться, значит он.

А дальше коробас выйдет в аварийный режим и много изменений будет заметно, в аварийном режиме и на третьей передаче то.

ВАГ КОМ, а дальше курить мануалы по своему движку в поиске канала с показаниями расходомера, компьютер не даст соврать железке.

Какие симптомы то?

[smell]

С чего это вдруг в аварийный уйдет?!
У меня почему-то ничего не уходило.

Смотреть изменения на холостых. (при условии что он умер полностью)

Тут вопрос в том, что нет Ваг кома.
Можно еще тестером померять, но я не знаю, какие должны быть показатели.

У меня например, когда умерал расходомер, ошибок никаких небыло. заменил на такой же что и стоял, обороты перестали скакать и глохнуть перестала при перегазовке.

[Alcogol]

С чего это вдруг в аварийный уйдет?!
У меня почему-то ничего не уходило.

Смотреть изменения на холостых. (при условии что он умер полностью)

Тут вопрос в том, что нет Ваг кома.
Можно еще тестером померять, но я не знаю, какие должны быть показатели.

У меня например, когда умерал расходомер, ошибок никаких небыло. заменил на такой же что и стоял, обороты перестали скакать и глохнуть перестала при перегазовке.

Ты конечно извини, но я сильно сомневаюсь, что при отключении ДМРВ коробка машины не перейдет в аварийный режим. Говорю по собственному опыту.

Замер на холостом? А я вот всю дорогу думал что эта деталь проверяется вагалкой в движении, о чем ещё в ВАГ КОМ-е подсказка свидетельствует, о третьей передаче и т.п.

[smell]

Мне казалось всю дорогу, что расходомер управляет в том числе клапаном ХХ. И показание (верность или не верность) можно проверить именно на клапане ХХ тестером, а точнее на разъеме клапан ХХ (в отсутствии Ваг-Кома) По этой причине совсем не обязательно проверять его на ходу. Так же можно просто постепенно поднимать обороты двигателя в и посмотреть показатели динамике.

У меня акпп не встала в аварийный режим при отключении расходомера.

[Alcogol]

Мне казалось всю дорогу, что расходомер управляет в том числе клапаном ХХ. И показание (верность или не верность) можно проверить именно на клапане ХХ тестером, а точнее на разъеме клапан ХХ (в отсутствии Ваг-Кома) По этой причине совсем не обязательно проверять его на ходу. Так же можно просто постепенно поднимать обороты двигателя в и посмотреть показатели динамике.

И у тебя есть эталонные параметры по напряжению с этого датчика? Или это все просто теория? Да и порядок действий при такой проверке, которые точно позволят установить погрешность измерений ДМРВ я не очень понимаю.

Суть расходомера проста. Не вдаваясь в подробности, которые я описал в своей теме по исследованию расходомеров это получить опорное напряжение и на базе него генерировать сигнал, который АЦП мозгов позже преобразует в цифры. Обладая тестером, можно измерить уровень сигнала с ДМРВ, но с чем его сравнивать? Ответ на этот вопрос как раз и дает VAG-COM, там содержатся эталонные параметры, которые динамически регулируются во время изменений в нагрузке двигателя.

Тестером в лучшем случае можно померить сигнал на холостом ходу и то, зная эталонные показатели,в противном случае проще не соваться.

Напрямую в "обязанности" ДМРВ управление клапаном ХХ не входит!

[demihs]

Слава Akin писал:
"Проверка расходомера:
Заходим шнурком в прогретый двигатель, на холостых.
Read measured value block (function 08), затем в Display Group 07.
Там сравниваем показания в окошках, разница не должна превышать ±0.3 g/s.
Привожу примечание в первоисточнике:
The display shows the air mass measured by the air mass meter. Discrepancies between the specified air mass (display zone 1) and the actual air mass indicate unmetered air between the air mass meter and the throttle housing or idling speed stabilisation valve. Short-term variations of±0.3 g/s are insignificant"
Только я в этом ничего не понял,в английском слаб, да и с VAGом,только ошибки читать и стирать умею.

[Андрей П.]

Сегодня записал лог как описал Саша demihs, тем помогите мне понять, что из этого можно понять
в начале машина заглушена была

Текст:

Thursday,07,April,2011,17:09:53
4D0 907 557 J ,,4.2L V8/4V MOTR AT D01,

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[Андрей П.]

народ ну помогите логи понять

[dedulia]

http://www.audi-club.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=224771

[Андрей П.]

dedulia спасибо, но как-то регистрироваться там, чтобы почитали мой лог нет желания. думал у нас помогут. но увы...

[Андрей_]

Самый лучший вариант - замена на заведомо рабочий.

+ Единственный вариант.

[Shtigo]

Заходим шнурком в прогретый двигатель, на холостых.
Read measured value block (function 08), затем в Display Group 07.

А у меня в этих окошках пусто, да и вообще я не смог найти где расходомер показывает

[Kiria]

Pебята подскажите, подойдёт ли расходомер с другой буквой. скажем не 077 133 471J ,а 077 133 471G . То что мне пишут что G подходит для моторов AKC, AQF, AQG, ARU, AUW. . А в ELCATS для таких моторов разные буквы расходомеров. ??????
И ещё, нр vag разный только на корпусе расходомера, а если сам сенсор вытащить, там все цифры одинаковые (F 00C 2G2 047).